[Ripper]

yeh true enough you can still get the ISOs for In Harms Way, Come What May and Center Seat.

But anything there after... World Enough and Time, To Serve All My Days, To Serve All My Days 1969 will not be made into ISOs.

Due to the aforementioned situation.

Intrepid (The Scottish One) and Farragut have their own system. Their own policies. But as far as Phase II and James Cawley are concerned i wouldn't expect to see any episodes available as a DVDISO in the future.

Currently World Enough and Time is downloadable off their torrent tracker. But To Serve All My Days: A Night in 1969 isnt its only streaming and i think this is the way theyre keeping it.

But don't quote me on that i don't speak for them

Now you have got to realize also that Dragonfly employs a system were it detects ur connection first. The Dragonfly server holds various files of differing quality and filesize. The lowest of which i belive its about 80mb and the highest of which is about 4GB.

This allows for the variations in peoples connection. So if youre on dialup you get the lowest quality, the one thats watchable but at a lower bitrate and the higher connections get the higher bitrates and higher resolutions.

Dragonfly doesn't just delvier one file for everyone. Their server for Of Gods and Men, Part 2 holds 6 different versions of that act alone. Part 3 i bet is probably the same.

[cimics]

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First, Kirk actually had little to do with taking care of Gary Mitchell. It was the Sally Kellerman character that actually did him in because Kirk was incapacitated and it takes one God to destroy another God.

Kellerman might not have been on the ship with a different captain. Or she might not have been persuaded to turn against Mitchell. Or events might have gone faster than they did, allowing Mitchell to overwhelm the Enterprise before Kellerman acts.

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Yes, Charlie did create a classic temporal paradox when he killed himself because if he killed himself before he changed the timeline then how could he have changed the timeline, reformed somehow and then gone back to kill himself.

I think the solution has to be to view both the original and altered timelines as "real" in some sense, even when they are not the "current" timeline. When Charlie kills himself to "restore" the timeline, the "altered" timeline is still part of the "restored" timeline's past. Indeed, the "restored" timeline is not identical to the "original" timeline -- it is itself a new timeline with Uhura having a memory of both the original and altered timelines. So, the Guardian sees this:

original timeline --> altered timeline --> restored timeline

When one alters a timeline, one does not actually erase that timeline, but instead, creates an alternate timeline. That's why Charlie could travel back to the original timeline, even though he had tampered with it, because, it was still out there somewhere. Tampering with it again does not erase it any more than did tampering with it the first time. The original timeline is still there, and the altered timeline is still there, and Charlie has a presence in both of those timelines that allow for him to kill himself in the restored timeline.

[Commander Stephanie]

Ripper, on Jun 15 2008, 04:07 PM, said:

yeh true enough you can still get the ISOs for In Harms Way, Come What May and Center Seat.

But anything there after... World Enough and Time, To Serve All My Days, To Serve All My Days 1969 will not be made into ISOs.

Due to the aforementioned situation.

Intrepid (The Scottish One) and Farragut have their own system. Their own policies. But as far as Phase II and James Cawley are concerned i wouldn't expect to see any episodes available as a DVDISO in the future.

Currently World Enough and Time is downloadable off their torrent tracker. But To Serve All My Days: A Night in 1969 isnt its only streaming and i think this is the way theyre keeping it.

But don't quote me on that i don't speak for them

Now you have got to realize also that Dragonfly employs a system were it detects ur connection first. The Dragonfly server holds various files of differing quality and filesize. The lowest of which i belive its about 80mb and the highest of which is about 4GB.

This allows for the variations in peoples connection. So if youre on dialup you get the lowest quality, the one thats watchable but at a lower bitrate and the higher connections get the higher bitrates and higher resolutions.

Dragonfly doesn't just delvier one file for everyone. Their server for Of Gods and Men, Part 2 holds 6 different versions of that act alone. Part 3 i bet is probably the same.

The WMV version of "World Enough and Time" is still available for download although not from the original source at NV. I downloaded it when it was first released and burned it to DVD so I will always have a copy of it.

As I said before, only having webisodes by streaming Adobe is a dangerous choice and cuts out those who can't get broadband or can't afford it. Perhaps that can be pointed out to NV and STOGAM and make a download version available to those in this category. Also, as I've pointed out, I despise Adobe Flash Player. It's clumsy, cumbersome and eats a boat-load of memory no matter how much memory you have, it still takes all 86% of it to operate. There are a number of streaming format that are much better than Adobe Flash Player and those should be considered before relying solely on this crummy format.

[Ripper]

what the producers are trying to avoid is a breach of violation in the agreement with CBS/Paramount.

Essentially... NO PROFIT CAN BE MADE FOR ANY PRODUCTION.

But people do, so OGaM and Phase II are trying to counter that by using streaming.

[Inferno]

Ripper, on Jun 15 2008, 07:06 PM, said:

what the producers are trying to avoid is a breach of violation in the agreement with CBS/Paramount.

Essentially... NO PROFIT CAN BE MADE FOR ANY PRODUCTION.

But people do, so OGaM and Phase II are trying to counter that by using streaming.

But releasing a torrent of the productions saves tons of cash and ensures free for distribution to true fans and others. I'm not saying to stop the online streaming, but it is a huge waste of money when it can be distributed at virtually no expense using bittorrent or other file-sharing applications. If someone wants to sell copies "at expense" in other words, the cost of the blank DVD, the time involved creating the DVD (if convenient ISO is not available) and the time burning said DVD and other reasonable costs, Then selling copies to people who do not have the technical savvy to get their own copies is OK as far as I'm concerned. In my experiences, sometimes people are uneducatable, as sad as this prospect might seem. So there has to be a secondary mode of distribution, for these less enlightened individuals. Indeed, even streaming is unthinkable for them. They just want to point a remote at the screen and press play, that is where people selling the DVD's at conventions come in. Don't be so quick to condemn them. Star Trek is for everybody, not just the smart people.


Dave

[Commander Stephanie]

Inferno, on Jun 15 2008, 11:21 PM, said:

But releasing a torrent of the productions saves tons of cash and ensures free for distribution to true fans and others. I'm not saying to stop the online streaming, but it is a huge waste of money when it can be distributed at virtually no expense using bittorrent or other file-sharing applications. If someone wants to sell copies "at expense" in other words, the cost of the blank DVD, the time involved creating the DVD (if convenient ISO is not available) and the time burning said DVD and other reasonable costs, Then selling copies to people who do not have the technical savvy to get their own copies is OK as far as I'm concerned. In my experiences, sometimes people are uneducatable, as sad as this prospect might seem. So there has to be a secondary mode of distribution, for these less enlightened individuals. Indeed, even streaming is unthinkable for them. They just want to point a remote at the screen and press play, that is where people selling the DVD's at conventions come in. Don't be so quick to condemn them. Star Trek is for everybody, not just the smart people.


Dave

I agree with you. I buy, sell, repair and teach computers to people and some folks will buy a Windows 95 machine just because it's cheap and they don't know that the machine won't run any modern software. They're pitifully stupid, don't want to learn and when this old POS Windows 85 machine breaks down they don't understand why I tell them that it isn't worth fixing.


It amazes me at how big a morons people can be some times. I'm listening to people complain and moan because they don't want to upgrade to an HD Tv and can't understand why we ever needed to update the television technology we've been using since 1947. People are just plain idiots sometimes.

[Hawaii Mimi]

Commander Stephanie, on Jun 15 2008, 06:16 PM, said:

It amazes me at how big a morons people can be some times. I'm listening to people complain and moan because they don't want to upgrade to an HD Tv and can't understand why we ever needed to update the television technology we've been using since 1947. People are just plain idiots sometimes.

My, my, my...you're a toughie today, aren't ya?

As for the whole HDTV issue...I don't own a television, and haven't for nearly 10 years. The only way I can get decent reception - in the USA's 11th-largest city, no less - is to subscribe to cable or dish service, and that's a cost that - quite frankly - I can do quite well without, especially with the way prices are going through the roof these days. Besides, with all of the CRAP that's on commercial TV these days, I am quite selective about what I watch. In addition, it's almost guaranteed that any show I get hooked on will end up on DVD within a couple of years...which I can then watch on my PC. I'm keeping up with BSG - my one true addiction right now - by watching the weekly episodes online, albeit on a one-week delay. It works for me.

If HDTV is to be the way/wave of the future, then perhaps the government ought to supply one new set to each and every household in America, at no cost to the taxpayer. I see no reason why I should have to shell out beaucoup bucks to purchase a set just because the Powers That Be have arbitrarily decided that NOW is the time to finally upgrade our technology. Now, if people want to actually USE those sets, then maybe we can implement a system like Great Britain, whereby all users pay a use tax. Television is a nicety...not a necessity, my friends.

Chew on that for a bit!
Meems

[Ripper]

Even tho i do see your point. CBS/Paramount are the ones who don't see it that way.

To them its making a profit.. Hence they can come in and slap a C&D on Star Trek Productions like Of Gods and Men

[karatasiospa]

Part 3 is excellent!!!! OGAM is Perhaps the best star trek film i have ever seen You proved that you don't need much money to do a great film all you need is to know what ster trek is about and a good imagination. Congratulations again

[Commander Stephanie]

Hawaii Mimi, on Jun 16 2008, 02:06 AM, said:

My, my, my...you're a toughie today, aren't ya?

As for the whole HDTV issue...I don't own a television, and haven't for nearly 10 years. The only way I can get decent reception - in the USA's 11th-largest city, no less - is to subscribe to cable or dish service, and that's a cost that - quite frankly - I can do quite well without, especially with the way prices are going through the roof these days. Besides, with all of the CRAP that's on commercial TV these days, I am quite selective about what I watch. In addition, it's almost guaranteed that any show I get hooked on will end up on DVD within a couple of years...which I can then watch on my PC. I'm keeping up with BSG - my one true addiction right now - by watching the weekly episodes online, albeit on a one-week delay. It works for me.

If HDTV is to be the way/wave of the future, then perhaps the government ought to supply one new set to each and every household in America, at no cost to the taxpayer. I see no reason why I should have to shell out beaucoup bucks to purchase a set just because the Powers That Be have arbitrarily decided that NOW is the time to finally upgrade our technology. Now, if people want to actually USE those sets, then maybe we can implement a system like Great Britain, whereby all users pay a use tax. Television is a nicety...not a necessity, my friends.

Chew on that for a bit!
Meems

Sorry Meems. I was in a lousy mood because of the moderator response last night on the "other" issue. My apologies.

[M II A II R II K]

Inferno, on Jun 15 2008, 11:21 PM, said:

If someone wants to sell copies "at expense" in other words, the cost of the blank DVD, the time involved creating the DVD (if convenient ISO is not available) and the time burning said DVD and other reasonable costs, Then selling copies to people who do not have the technical savvy to get their own copies is OK as far as I'm concerned.

The only problem with that in principle is that those who created the fan films are not allowed to make money off it, so why should someone else.

[Tallguy]

Hawaii Mimi, on Jun 14 2008, 03:44 PM, said:

Not to mention that you just directly insulted a MEMBER of the STOGaM Crew, chump. Good going!

Heh. Thanks for the defense, Mimi. But no insult taken.

Thanks for the kind words everyone. It was a long time getting here.

I will admit a minor annoyance that so many of the reviews have come out with who the Big Bad turns out to be. Usually in the first paragraph.

His identity was a twist that I didn't see coming when I read the script. I thought I had it all figured out before Curate Prime made his appearance. So I've bit my tongue about it for the last two years. Ahh well. The best laid plans... But CP has a really sweet ride, eh? (Gads, I'm shameless.)

[Commander Stephanie]

Tallguy, on Jun 16 2008, 02:40 PM, said:

Heh. Thanks for the defense, Mimi. But no insult taken.

Thanks for the kind words everyone. It was a long time getting here.

I will admit a minor annoyance that so many of the reviews have come out with who the Big Bad turns out to be. Usually in the first paragraph.

His identity was a twist that I didn't see coming when I read the script. I thought I had it all figured out before Curate Prime made his appearance. So I've bit my tongue about it for the last two years. Ahh well. The best laid plans... But CP has a really sweet ride, eh? (Gads, I'm shameless.)

Shameless? Nah! Perhaps a bit cruel and torturous!

Just kidding!

How did you get Gary Mitchell's eyes to glow like that without green contacts to use as a mask for the CGI? I know they used hand painted frames in the original episode.

His glowing eyes made me think he was a G'aould on loan from Stargate. (grin)

[Tallguy]

Commander Stephanie, on Jun 16 2008, 11:45 AM, said:

Shameless? Nah! Perhaps a bit cruel and torturous!

Just kidding!

How did you get Gary Mitchell's eyes to glow like that without green contacts to use as a mask for the CGI? I know they used hand painted frames in the original episode.

His glowing eyes made me think he was a G'aould on loan from Stargate. (grin)

Well, speaking of cruel and torturous, the members of the team (all people who are not me - I think it was Peter, Henry, and Michael - I think) performed their wizardry frame by frame on Mitch's eyes. Yikes! They did a heck of a job, eh? I've been seeing that footage without the eye FX for well over a year now (it was filmed in September 2006!) and seeing it with the glow was like watching all new scenes.

[voxmann41]

I was on vacation when the debut of pt.3 happened. Had a laptop but wanted to wait until i got home to comfortably watch it. while on vacation, saw a couple of nasty comments about pt. 2 being messed up. Ya know what folks? Sometimes technical problems happen. Fortunately for me, people like that do not influence my viewing pleasure. Part 3 ROCKED! So much action crammed into a half hour. And the wait was worth it. The space battle was better than any battle on any of the trek series. WOW! So many ship designs, so much firepower and the saucer seperation was awesome! How many times have I said awesome? Who cares! It was. I'll admit I didn't see the Gary Mitchell angle coming at all. My wife was laughing at how many times I shouted "Oh My God!" while watching it. Tim Russ and crew are to be commended. What a job. The bloopers at the end was awesome(there I go again) as well. Can't wait till tomorrow to watch all 3 parts back to back. Am soooooo hoping that a collected dvd will be made available somehow, somewhere. I unfortunately do not have nor can I afford a dvd burner for my comp to make a copy(if that's possible). If there is a copy available some how. Would be glad 2 buy one from some one. PLEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZEEEEEE! Again....well done everyone. a quick kudo to the f/x and sound guys as well....great job to them.

[Commander Stephanie]

Tallguy, on Jun 16 2008, 03:33 PM, said:

Well, speaking of cruel and torturous, the members of the team (all people who are not me - I think it was Peter, Henry, and Michael - I think) performed their wizardry frame by frame on Mitch's eyes. Yikes! They did a heck of a job, eh? I've been seeing that footage without the eye FX for well over a year now (it was filmed in September 2006!) and seeing it with the glow was like watching all new scenes.

It was indeed an awesome FX.

As everyone keeps asking; will there be a contunous spliced version of the entire webisode available for download soon?

While it's okay to be watching it in streaming version, the previously mentioned Grab+ will not work on Dreagonfly because all it grabs is the index and not the footage.

We want to preserve this to watch on the big screen with surround sound so we can show it to friends and blow their minds, too!

So when will a download ISO-DVD version be vailable, tallguy?

[Wil Jaspers]

Commander Stephanie, on Jun 16 2008, 09:30 PM, said:

While it's okay to be watching it in streaming version, the previously mentioned Grab+ will not work on Dreagonfly because all it grabs is the index and not the footage.

Grab?, why don't you look in your Tempory Internet Files Folder?, the flv file is there, done that with all three parts.

[Wil Jaspers]

Ripper, on Jun 15 2008, 04:07 PM, said:

Now you have got to realize also that Dragonfly employs a system were it detects ur connection first. The Dragonfly server holds various files of differing quality and filesize. The lowest of which i belive its about 80mb and the highest of which is about 4GB.

This allows for the variations in peoples connection. So if youre on dialup you get the lowest quality, the one thats watchable but at a lower bitrate and the higher connections get the higher bitrates and higher resolutions.

Dragonfly doesn't just delvier one file for everyone. Their server for Of Gods and Men, Part 2 holds 6 different versions of that act alone. Part 3 i bet is probably the same.

Can someone confirm this, had a real good quality for part 2, lower quality for part one and three, could this be the reason?

[cimics]

I had to update Adobe flash and then refresh my browser to get a bigger file on part 3:

1.22 GB

[Roliba]

cimics, on Jun 16 2008, 07:16 PM, said:

I had to update Adobe flash and then refresh my browser to get a bigger file on part 3:

1.22 GB

I'd just like to pipe in here, and relieve Bill (TallGuy) of being the only production member to respond.

Thanks to all for your kind words. It was great to see our long, and I mean Loooooonnng, hours of work final all stiched together.

Oh, and as sweet as CP's ride is, it's got some great paint on it as well. (In case anyone missed it, Curate Primes ship was designed and built by Bill (TallGuy) Thomas. And okay, I did the textures).